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I would like a guideline as possible
I am 37 years old and as I could not finish the superior (missed 1 year) I decided to invest a money that had stored for times in Oracle official formations ( DBA and Developer)
I wanted to know why it is almost impossible to enter the DBA area because I have seen all that my profile fits better in an administrative area than in a development sector, for example.
I have been trying since 2002 and I have not obtained any of the money invested

I am thinking of abandoning everything (20 years of study - from the processing technician to the superior) and try Another profession
I tried to work for são Paulo Todinha (I know everything from consultancies, HR companies, companies, etc) but I notice that who is professional Junior has no time
happened to me Times have to go to a selection without having a tostao (tell himself on foot) and realize the "RH girls" included me in the process only to appear that they saw a more candidate
I think the area is really For these sons of rich that you have to study languages, take courses, etc.
When I made the formation in the en-sof I was the only student who paid from the pocket itself and the rest of the classes (all Country Bank) I was struck because they did not know how much he had cost the course - and it's those guys who are with the best jobs !!!
I am not in the mood to vent or create polemica here, I would only like a tip / guidance because until today in this computational world I only came across "popstars" and they never had the humility to point out a way forward
Please, if anyone can help me with tips
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Hello Carlos

I hope many people in this forum can guide you and give you some tips to be DBA ... I agree with many things you said, and I disagree with some ... So let's go There:
Carlos .. wrote: I wanted to know why it is almost impossible to enter the DBA area because I have seen all that my profile fits better in an administrative area of ??what In a development sector, for example.
I'vê been trying since 2002 and I have not obtained any of the money invested
really, the DBA area is a very critical area! All information from the company is in the hands of the DBA. If the DBA makes shit the company can have millions of injury! (As I'vê seen happen) ... That's why there is practically no vacancy of Junior DBA. No company is interested in DBA's Junior, everyone wants senior! But some companies give the opportunity and train new professionals in the DBA area (Junior), even because the market is missing, also because in some cases the professional will have followed up of others more experienced and will do not such critical tasks ... in these Cases, almost always the professional *** knows *** that he is heading for a great career, so the salary is often not so good. (Junior or trainee). Here comes a complicating factor: many people can not accept a somewhat lower salary, because they are people with appointments, family, etc ... from there, without "submitting" to this, it ends up not getting the experience so desired. It ends the youngest getting the vacancies, because there is no problem to earn a little when it is new ... I know several people in this situation.
I am thinking of abandoning everything (20 years of study - from the processing technician to the superior) and try another professao
I tried to clean work by São Paulo Todinha (I know everything from consultancies, HR companies, companies, etc.) But I notice that who is professional Junior does not have time
came to happen to me sometimes having to go to a selection without having a tostao (tell himself On foot) and realize the "RH girls" included me in the process only to appear that they saw a more candidate
would be a pity abandon everything ... maybe anything is missing to draw the attention of the RH girls ... see some things that have always helped me:
* In the curriculum, I put beyond the experiences I have to work, I also put things that we do not value, but that has an immense value. I call it open source projects ... from there you will tell me, "What are you playing with me?" Actually, open-source projects shows that you:
- Do something
- is pro-active
- knows how to work in team, even everything being the distance
"Give you experience in things you can not even imagine."

Anything else that may help you get in the DBA area is to emphasize everything that relates in the database area ... for example: if you have a website, you can make many things with his database. If you have a computer at home, install multiple oracle instances with different versions in S.O. different, and do export, import, backup scripts, etc ... You do not necessarily need to be working on this to have experience. You may have experience doing these things at home. At the time of the interview, you say: "I have experience with Linux Radhat, Installation of Oracle 8, 9i, 10g, IAS, I do Hot Bacup, Cold Backup, Rman, etc ... All this without ever having worked in the area ...
I think the area is even for these sons of rich that has how to study languages, take courses, etc.
is exactly the opposite. Daddy does not have a willpower to be a DBA or study languages. In my case: I work in a multinational company, where the official language is English! (no one speaks Portuguese in). And now: Where did I learn English? Alone, Reading Books, listening to music, looking in the dictionary, listening pod-casts, looking at movies ... *** Never *** I went to an English class. My colleague on the side. (14 years old): Never in English class In life ... learned English at 12 years old when I was guri and played rpgs ... now tell me: Fililho de dad can learn a language without spending a penny? never ... not even 10 years of class not learning of ...
When I made the formation in the en-sof I was the only student who paid from his own pocket and the rest of the classes (all Banking by the companies) did not work because They did not know how much he had cost the course - and these are these guys who are with the best jobs !!!
The others I do not know. But I work since the age of 14 to pay for my studies at night. (working day and at night). I think this was the best thing that ever happened to me! Because at the age of 18 I already had 4 years of professional experience :-d [99]
I am not in order to vent or create polemica here, I would only like a tip / orientation because until Today in this computational world I only came across "Popstars" and they never had the humility to point out a path below
Please, if anyone can help me with tips
Abs to all
Carlos ..
nor does it warm up to vent or create controversy, Carlos. Your situation unfortunately is very common ... but it's like I said: you'll have to prove you know how to realize it. If for you it will be bad to get a trainee job to get experience. (You said you're 37 years old, I imagine you have several financial responsibilities). That is, if you win little as a trainee, then you will have to embody at home ... and this is not easy ... One thing that is always valid: Write blogs! Who else gaining is always who writes ... Doing some certification is always very recognized as well, even for those who have no experience.

If I spoke some nonsense, please correct me! If you have doubt about something I said, the same thing, you can warn ... and if you need to help in the Oracle area, wide here in the forum that we give a force! Good luck, my old man !!!
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Friend,

I'm DBA Jr. and what I can tell you is that it's worth it. These days I met a cara that is "the cara of the support" window, linux .. etc ... the cara makes money running ... and is starting to study oracle now .. and has the mesmo will you have. Turn DBA !!!! The first thing I asked him if he was willing to regress financially for a while ...



Do not give up on your wishes !!! How many barriers I danced and still crossing !!!

from my second period in facul. When I began to have technical materials ... "Database modeling" I told my class I'll be DBA !!! Some found me Marrento and convinced and tals for knowing me only 6 months!

in 3 for the 4 period I have staggered in a large company !!! I started brushing Bit 3 months giving support for Windows XP, 2000, Office, Lotus Notes ...... 2 months ago I met the company's database industry, when I realized that I had trainee in the sector I wanted to go further, so As I other stagiaries of the support wanted this place, I arrived at the manager introduced myself and asked how it would do to compete for the vacancy that would soon be opened by the trainee being out of exit. I passed through a selective process. I did the stage of 4 hours a day. NE !!?!?!?! Only I prcebi that 4 hours could not learn enough I could not participate in the problems ... could not keep up or even give continuity in some types of service. I always decided that I could stay 8 hours. At my account and risk .. after a few months of experience and my contract is ending can not be renewed because I'm finishing facul, I started looking for, I participated in 2 selective processes !!! The first I could not do a test of Mathematics Thinking of Bank Practical Proof !!! "Tremi" rsrsr. I thought if I was prepared and I saw that it really was not !!!!

until one day comes out of the stage after 4 hours worked and I participated in another selective process, interview, practical proof and technical interview. I finally went through my dream. They needed that Commessace immediately and I asked if I could start in 20 days .... These 20 days I studied the same a tarado because I thought I will not realize I will not realize I will not account !!!! there I studied studying !! !!

porque when you are stagiario you must have responsibilities, but someone answers for your work !!! and not you !!! And how dba does not !!! I answer for my shit !!!


I know how difficult it is for you after all you are no longer any girls !! = (And has your responsibilities, just like me !!! I have some facul friends who finished facul are systems analyst and work as a support analyst or even support technician.I was the only one of my class I entered the facul As a mer ** and go out with a profession. I ask you! Why? Because I'm good ?? Lucky (can you be sure not) ?? So how I had some very dedicated friends !!! But some cost to decide! Summary In addition to dedicated I knew what I wanted !!! And I went deep !!! hj I have other projects !!! I'm going to make sure !!!! hollow / ocp
the market really é a lion businesses want professionals with exeperience gold !!! rsrsrsr


for what it seems you really want !!! Good luck !!! I cheer for you without knowing you !!! What you need and um opportunity .. put your city maybe some friend solve give you a technical interview opportunity !!!

Once again good luck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good afternoon, my name is diego and I'm 23 years old, I have a tip for you ... a good start to become a dba is to start as a developer analyst, so even you end up knowing a little bank and how it works and gaining experience in BD Area.
And with the DBA courses that were made, you can even look for a full DBA vacancy.

About English I learned by playing RPG, as quoted by Thomas in the answer above, I can indicate this site here http://www.sharedtalk.com/ nde you can practicing multiple languages ??(English, Frances, Spanish, etc. ...), you can talk or write, it really is very good.

I hope I have helped.

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Carlos, I agree with you in parts. I believe that to get a vacancy of DBA JR, it is easier through a stage. And in this area it is necessary to combine luck with potential. It looks like you have, what you lack maybe it's a little lucky and for her to come and take a dose of self-confidence. I'm like I'm in the tuning area in Oracle and I never did English course and I also banked my DBA Oracle course alone, with the termination of my last company.

What I hear say is that the opportunities for a full dba and sr are many and the growth is fast, maybe it's time for you to consider cmeço de low, like the boys up there They said. And do not let yourself be down, because your biggest enemy is yourself;

Good luck !!
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People ... I'm giving up on the career of Informatica / DBA Oracle
I'm going to play my studies since the age of 17 in the trash and those 20 years waking up the 4 of the morning to take bus no advance, everything goes to the trash ..... and for the happiness of many that this hour will laugh when they read this ... with praise

the drop of water for me was when I put a doubt in a neighboring forum and received a contact from a company (media to small) known in the branch of Oracle DBAS in SP
par5a an interview
when putting doubt he should have thought that I was about 20 because it was surprised by the post that I put it on and the doubt in question
at the end I went to do an interview and the boy told me all those litany that it was a different company, focused on values ??and in the "human being "
applied a non-technical test and chat goes chat come asked me to contact you in x days
leaves from there with a papers about the company with a bullshit writing (values, union, commitment and these crap from the mouth out but that are not placed in practice)
At the end of the accounts I was participating in a "popularity research and satisfaction" of his company and he asked when I returned to the call to know if I had achieved the vacancy what I found of his company, the presentation ....... Putz !!!! You can !!!

Opera Summary: Companies preach one thing and seek another - put the mouth out that our values ??are X and Y and seek at the end of pragmatic people. this business of human value in companies is all papo bored

having as a consequence I am abandoning everything today (I am 38 years old) and I will try something else because I waited 8 years for a chance in this area And things do not happen

after all I read here (thank you with heart to those who answered) I just have to say that the area of ??you is for the son of rich even, which has money To do college, invest in courses, etc, etc., etc ....
I am a living proof of persistence (even without having a computer was studying Oracle in a Lan House - I asked the owner to help me and he installed the Linux and Oracle 10 g so I could study it when I could and did not lose what I learned)
everything I passed and described here I do not desire for anyone

]good luck to everyone
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Your story is regrettable ... Unfortunately, I know other people who also wanted to go to the area of ??computer science. (I do not know if oracle or another) ...

Sometimes I think some careers are difficult to achieve, example:
* Airplane pilot - The guy has to Make a million hours to get a teco-teco plane ... imagine to pilot a 737 or something. I always thought that for these professions the guy had to be + daddy's son, because it's almost impossible to have money to do the class hours ... (thousands of reais are necessary).
* Doctor / Surgeon - Another profession we know is not for anyone ... Who has to work hardly able to join a Federal University. (Because of the crazy times, etc.). Like, the guy has to have a base type to get that career.

In informatics, often the situation is similar, since the person has to be subject to being a trainee and earning little, at least for some time. A lot of people can not do this ...

a solution: when looking for a job, if you offer to work for free! (Yes, it's ridiculous, but I bet some company would like the idea and hire). For this only if it's a young man who has no expenses or who lives with his parents :-( -> I did it, because I learned Oracle winning 250 a month. Fortunately I was at a stage of my life that it was possible to win 250.
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What makes me abandon the profession are two reasons:
1-The scenes - in summary - Interviews and HR professionals, project managers etc
2 - Starring - IT staff who thinks he knows everything ... these are fod .....

in backstage relation only to quote one of the last cases that happened to me I went to an interview at Nextel scheduled for both of the afternoon and I arrived early because I do not live in SP but on the south coast - around 13:20 and I was waiting
was 17:50 and they were almost leaving there the girl told me up and had done a confusion - marked two guys for the same time (the other era of São Jose dos Campos)
The guy from São Jose was not, gave a q in her and she called to my house when they warned to such a recruiter that I I was already there since 13:00
She told me to rise (I went up by the way) and at the end she still found it bad (her name was Tatiana or Talita)
asked me 3 questions , scribbled my curriculum (in front of me) and sent me away warning that the "manager" would get in touch ..... ie ..... put me in the process to say that he was working because he had no possibilities for the Vacancy (the priority was the boy from the interior that did not come) and beyond that I still received a disgrace

in one of the last work I picked up, I was starting with plsql, it was my first job with Oracle and had left This is clear at the time of contraction.
I worked in a place where they were going to build an ERP with plsql
My father died during the project and as I do not live in SP I had to go see him always because he was in the ICU for months [[99 ] Summary of Opera: I was sent away because my father died ---- believe -------- and besides everything the manager / project analyst said I was a "fdp specialist in which others did My service "all because I had doubts and wanted to learn and I was tapped. In addition to not participating in the escapades in the whore that they made and barbecues watered to program girls. What would you do ??? The father of you dying gradually or a barbecue with whores to do media with directors ?????? sic


When I say that the area is for rich people are only Look at these SAP courses and the scavau .... Who wins those trainings ?????
When I did a PLSQL course in the en-covo I was the only one of my class that paid from the pocket itself and the whole group was of Accenture and another company. It was the worst course I did because as I was beginning I could not ask anything that the accenture staff found bad
these things were what made me abandon and not some difficult with the technology or something similar
and very bad because there is no way I can do a job in open source bank administration, unlike to set up a system in open source

I took years studying for nothing. I read a comment here that there are a lot of people who want to go to the area (this sector is prostituido because there is no regulation of profession unfortunately) but because of $$$$ and not for love of what it does
I wanted learn and acquire knowledge. $$$$ Come with time and merit
When I did the technician at the time there was no half of the areas that new staff has today (networks, projects, bi, etc.)
in my time It was only languages ??and the bank was indexed and was still starting.
When I saw Oracle I was crazy and that was what I was going to work



I passed through every thing that does not even comment here ... These are the lighter

bye bye oracle
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Nussa !!

Carlos, in addition to Oracle Training, you should give a pass in the church during the week. I'm sure you would get some blessing !!
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cara, you are mixing things up, you think only the profession of T.i goes through difficulties, sometimes so that we can get somewhere we need to be tested to know if we really deserve it.
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Stop complaining! It looks like an old woman !!! rs

Have you tried a PL ql developer placement?

He tried to know, in companies that did not hire you, why?
If it was deprecated for all this time, you may be passing an image that you can not imagine. Talk to someone from HR, see what may be wrong in your way of introducing yourself or your resume.

What is no use is to be lamenting like a little girl !!!

strength, courage and good luck !!!

Hugs
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That's right, for a bit of complaining and see if you pay attention ... In something you must be wrong.

Did you go on the tests you applied for you? He is sure?
Can you keep a dialogue with the interviewer?

my friend did not finish the PL course and is already as an analyst Junior and the salary is great for those who are starting and only has 1 course .... 2800 CLT ...
And he was not indicated ... He studied the same as a madman and went very well in the tests of the companies .. so passed ...

Now if you have talent .. for good In the interviews and tests and still do not pass .... face begins to pray or do not know .. try to pass a perfuminho before leaving home ...

Hugs and good luck. ..
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Only a message for this 20-year-old girl who is reading the posts and interpreting the way she thinks only one message I passed the 40 ..... I do not have 20 years ..... hence the difficulty of tidying up in this area and not for not studying or thing of the type the rhe analysts put me to any vacancy (regardless of having experience or it was not only for them to say they were working - thing as we saw some more candidate but I believe that by age it was not what they sought ) Before taking wave it is better to read right what was written .... (if at least know how to read and interpret) thank God I am already working with another sector (much more stable) it is good to respect others because tomorrow this can happen with someone who took the wave here ... today you are good but tomorrow may not be more bye
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Carlos,

in order to avoid any misunderstanding for those who will read your post, I removed the caps of all the posts that you have usually put when writing with CAPS connected, it is understood as Speaking something or something of the genre ... I would like to ask for the next, you do not use the caps, okay? : D

Thanks: -O
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It's a wrong thing with this guy.

In the first post he says he is 37 years old, then says he has 38 and the last one says he went from 40.

I think he's incarnate Maluco.

only complains and all the worst happens with him.

He has to begin by looking for psychological help.

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The worst thing is that I'm not complaining ...... the people have to learn to read and interpret texts ..... (sic!)
I'm just exposing situations that are convenient for HR consultings and companies that happened to me and that they may happen to anyone
only this
but it has passed
gracts to God I am in another
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Since the subject is over and Carlos is in another branch, we were happy!
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